how many mk 2s

[craig 12]

(394)-total mk 1 and 2s 81-105 eststes leaves 208 ive seen i think in welcome book to goc // 212 if gareths online or paul , any ideas guys to the correct number , people always ask me how many were made?.. regards craig

[mike whiskey]

I think the truth is no-one is actually certain.

To say just over 200 would be the best answer i guess.

MW

[Greybags]

A very quick look through the records produces the following numbers of cars known by the club .

GT's ..................... 277
Genie's ................. 201
Mk1's ................... 78
Mk2's ................... 209
Estates ................ 106
Mk3's ................... 214

I stress this was a very quick look and there may be other cars out there somewhere and as already stated, no one is really sure .. but the figures will be close enough to win a bet in the bar over a pint...

Grahame

[craig 12]

wow there can't be many mk 1s then they must be like hens teeth to find/ estates also very hard to find i bet / was a estate going to germany in this months rarebit/ the figures on our cars are really quite scary when you weigh it up/ triumph stags ; not so common on roads 26,000 , mgb 512,000, i think were in line now with some of the lesser breeds on the road/ hillman imp/reliant scimitar se4/triumph dolomite sprint/vauxhall magnum/cortina savage/maybe even some of the old escorts, rs1800/mexico/1300e/ although i'm very surprised the gilbern convertible hasn't sold on car and classic web site, surely if you owned that you'd be the only one in the country i guess.

[gilberninvader]

Hi Craig
People always ask me too how many MkII's were made along with the harder question,
How many are still around?

At the moment i am still working on the figures and dont have the final numbers yet sorry.

The 209 figure seems ok at the moment....will keep you posted.
regards
Gareth

[craig 12]

i cant let this topic go im afraid, it could be any of the gilberns to be fair, but my point is this......lets take the mk1 with a total production of around 78, in this country everything and i mean everything the old goverment want to know about

wether its where you live, how much you have saved, how old you are, dependents, jobs youve had, income from pensions, part time jobs... the list goes on

in a nut shell its a big big , big brother watching over us, now to this end the dvla was set up and i suppose the ministry of transport as well to track all motor vehicles from day one to being crumpled in a crusher,they know everything, vin numbers, chassis numbers, date registered,sorn, scrapped, you name it they want to know about it.

and i suppose appart from crooks and the like most of us will honestly log a cars path with these nice people , not wanting to be fined.

it is therefore that i still find amazing that we still can not trace how many of our chosen cars are still with us, its not like were talking the production numbers of triumph stags, 26000 or the staggering mgb 512,000.

the chosen subject has a mere 78 made, but any one of them barely makes over 200-300.
so how is it with a goverment backed big brother company like the dvla that they are not able to tell us that of the 78 cars made that we have a recorded number of??? or whatever is the figure,

think about it tonight , they know everything the dvla, yes everything,
so sureley they know how many mk1/2/genies/mk3 someone must know because we have a goverment which insists on paper records, being kept ....................craig...... and any form of keeping it in a garden, or barn find, under some hedges, still needs logging somewhere with the dvla .. so my point is this the club may not have the exact numbers left in the country, but the dvla== MUST KNOW==

[gilberninvader]

Hi Craig

Your right the dvla must know the total number of Gilbern's of varying Marques MOT'd and on the road; also the no. of Gilbern's previously registered.( However there were cars of varying state of finish at the factory when it went into receivership, there were also many exported and may not have been registered in UK, as they may have been exported as car parts to be constructed abroad.)

There must also be a few hidden away in a few garages/sheds and forgotten about and not on sorn etc.

However the club have written to the DVLA with little success in the past. I assume it falls under theData Protection Act and not for general release.

Therefore it means we have to wade through old records of membership details and other information supplied by the members or relations etc.

Brian Gent has done a remarkable voluntary job in gathering data on the GT's and a book comes out on this model in May. I cannot promise the same for the Mk 2's though.

More importantly how's your car running now , did you get to the bottom of the niggles?
Gareth

[craig 12]

its in the garage now for an inspection, found a couple of gaskets which i believe are leaking , and i think a brake cylinder , or similar as theres fluid around the rear wheel area, he says its a fairly sound car but points out that he thinks it has a illegal front indicator, ones orange, the other one red, been bidding on a rear bumper for her on e bay but someone outbids me everytime, last time i did that it was roger spares bidding against me ill keep you posted, mind you the front bumper is worse, its gone a greyish kind of colour, ill try autosol , but i think its gone too far,

[craig 12]

this might also be a good thing to compare if no one has done it already, if we take grahams list from above(thanks graham) and then compare club membership and the models owned by members then that should give us the reverse figure.. for instance say 209 mk2s made / club members have 80 then there are 129 missing, and so on , we sureley have a tally of the gt,1/2/3/estates/genies/ in the club as a total, take that away from 1009 cars , that should at least give us a percentage owned to production, that leaves an outstanding number/percentage which either have gone abroad, in museams, etc etc. .. which in turn fetches up other questions

which model has the most traced to production numbers
which model has the least traced to production numbers

[Reddi-Eng]

I sometimes think it must be just me not being in tune with what's going on so please correct me if I'm wrong.

In this thread we are discussing "How many Gilberns". In an adjacent thread "Pictures Of Members Gilberns". Elsewhere questions for the AGM which includes feedback from the Club Archivist and the Model Historians. Amonst the discussion pops up a comment that there's a book on the GT comming out which I was not aware of. What else is being done that us members would be interested in?

Arn't these all about communications between members and this forum provides the vehicle for this to be pro-active and seen by all. Please support the questions being raised at the AGM.

[craig 12]

well my only question for any agm derek would be this, please please please change the way we sell spare parts, let us look at our leisure at the parts ,prices, without paying for a parts list with no prices, my mechanic is on with my car at the moment , and theres stuff he,ll require which he cant get hold of, i dont know how much it is as i have to make a phone call for the price, why cant we have prices, ok things go up with inflation, but once weve bought the item in , the price is set, the club puts its mark up on and thats the price, prices shouldnt fluctuate, on demand, im convinced the club profits could go up by 10-20% , if its a part that can be obtained from the club and the spares shop , the first one youll try is the one that gives you the price.

[Greybags]

It is possible to get all the data from the DVLA about model numbers registered, how many still remaining, which have been registered as destroyed, which have gone abroad etc etc.

But you have to be registered or have some form of permit issued by the DVLA at I understand to be expensive as in mega, extra mortgage time expensive.

Several of the Classic Car mags have these elusive bits of paper which is how they publish the cars made and still on the road figures when they do an article.
But I think they are limited to the number of enquiries they can make per year

Insurance companies have some access and these companies which will look into a cars history before you buy a 2nd hand motor, which is one of the reasons they charge so much to do it.

Any car owner can request the DVLA history of their car, which will give all the owners, reg number changes and any detail changes (engine,colour etc) that PO's have advised the DVLA of. All for a fiver.. go to http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/AdviceOnKeepingYourVehicle/DG_4022067 scroll down to

Previous keeper details for your vehicle

As the current registered keeper of a vehicle you can request information about the history of your vehicle and previous keepers. You must complete the relevant sections on the V888 form and send it with the fee of £5.00 to the address above.

Download ‘Request for information (V888) - members of the public' (PDF, 153K)



And when you get all this detail, share it with your model Historian, who will then be able to produce the details you require, but I'm afraid, if the current members and owners dont request the info from the DVLA and then share it with the club, then at the moment there is no other way to get it.


Grahame

[gilberninvader]

I sometimes think it must be just me not being in tune with what's going on so please correct me if I'm wrong.

In this thread we are discussing "How many Gilberns". In an adjacent thread "Pictures Of Members Gilberns". Elsewhere questions for the AGM which includes feedback from the Club Archivist and the Model Historians. Amonst the discussion pops up a comment that there's a book on the GT comming out which I was not aware of. What else is being done that us members would be interested in?

Arn't these all about communications between members and this forum provides the vehicle for this to be pro-active and seen by all. Please support the questions being raised at the AGM.

Hi Derek
Like you i like to be up-to- date with anything relating to the Gilbern marque, and one of my first points of reference is the Guestbook, that's where i found out the date of publication of a GT book which Brian Gent has worked very hard and long to produce.

No one is keeping news on the Gilbern from you, however please bear in mind current members personal details are private, this would include current registration numbers, contact details, etc etc.

However if there was a disclaimer somewhere on the membership form, which asked if members wouldn't mind the club disclosing their details, then the club would be entitled to release that information. Just a thought but i wouldn't expect many to agree to giving permission.

[GGenie69]

....... however please bear in mind current members personal details are private, this would include current registration numbers, contact details, etc etc...

As I've said before on another post, how can the above statement be true? When a new member first joins the club all the details are published in Welsh Rarebit including full home address, telephone number, registration number and chassis number. What is the difference with publishing new info as opposed to updated info here on a members only forum?

I must say though, a few of the topics lately due seem to be of the whinge variety and maybe they all need to go into their own whinge forum where I can just mark them as read, without having to actualy read them

Richard.

[craig 12]

i was reading my old rarebits and came across an interesting page, way back in the 90s they had a feature of facts about gilberns, i believe a historian had put together the facts about known numbers of all gilberns, it gave all the facts and figures on % of known cars on the road, % of cars scrapped,% of cars with club members,%not known to members, all in all a brilliant factoid, would we be able to repeat this chart in 2009 please? as you know i still harp on about how many mk2s are left and i do apologise for repeating the same stuff over and over, but i think its amazing to tell folks that theres only 120 left or 90 or whatever,.. regards craig.. ps i rang the dvla about car numbers and she was going to send a form for a organisation i should contact,, result.... it never arrived..