3.1 engine rebuild

[blue1]

I have been quoted £2850 for a stage 3 rebuild with power output of 180bhp.

Comes with the bigger inlet valve in 214n material 1.750" (44.45mm) and includes the fast road valve springs and the valve spring platforms machined to suit the installed height of the springs, and includes all that is used on the stage 1 and 2 heads.
The block on the stage 3 comes as all the above in stage 1 and 2 and as the stage 2 fitted with the 060" 1.5mm oversize Kolbern Schmidt pistons, but also includes the fast road camshaft and the cam is dialled in and timed to suit the full lift figure and if necessary is fitted with an of set key to optimum timing.
 
Is this the usual price and how much did you pay?

Also is there a cheaper alternative.

I want a fast road invader but not track car.

[Tree man]

That price doesn't sound too far off the mark and if your going to get an engine rebuilt upping the spec would seem sensible. But don't forget all the other stuff that, depending on what your plans are, you might as well do while your at it - gas flow the heads (if it's not already in the price), decent manifolds, rebuilt brakes, electronic ignition, rev limiter, oil cooler, lightened flywheel, etc ,etc. Doing the work yourself and hunting around the likes of ebay will produce most of what you are after much cheaper, but, I appreciate that depends on your spanner skills and how long you can wait to get on the road.
A more powerful engine will give you better acceleration but to be quicker from 'a' to 'b' you will get more effective gains from chassis and suspension work.

[blue1]

How?

[Bitsa]

Blue1

Looks like you are going down a similar path to me. I went for 3.1 V63 Lead Free Heads Steel Timing Gear (a must) ... the Kolbern Schmidt pistons were £350 alone and the machining was £800 (going to 3.1 is two rebores so I got charged double)

The price you have been quoted "all in" looks reasonable.

Mine is a standard Genie but is one of the last four and seems to have a few unusual features like the lower wishbones and springs.

Cheers

Chris

[Gilb]

Hus, where are you getting the engine done?

[Tree man]

How?

It's always a trade off between road comfort and ultimate speed. For example a car set up with a competition bias will usually easily outperform a road biased car on a track day (probably not with my driving abilities ) However the road car has the last laugh when the driver of the track car is deaf and had his fillings rattled out when going more than 20 miles on the road. Uprating an engine is an excellant idea but the returns diminish the further you go unless you look at the vehicle as a whole

[Waylison]

Hi There.

Ric Woods will build you an essex V6 single carb turning out 290Bhp. www.ricwood.com He's based in Stockport. Probably the countries leading knowledge on the old Essex V6. He's been there and done that with it. Even quad cam four valves per cylinder. If you want to empty your bank account, he can take you to 4000cc and 400Bhp

You'd need to contact him to check over your requirements before he'll give you a price.

[blue1]

I asked Ian at specialisedengines.co.uk, friendly chap who talked a lot about gilberns as he used to own one.

I looked at Ric wood but it is too far away and the above is round the corner. I might consider it if the price is right.

I am no good with a spanner but I am learning but a engine rebuild in my front room (no garage) is not option but tempting.

[blue1]

Specialised Engines Limited
15 Curzon Drive,
Manorway Industrial Estate
Grays
Essex
RM17 6BG
Phone 01375 378606 Fax 01375 378606 Email specialisedengines@talk21.com
Web site www.specialisedengines.co.uk


Thank you for your email below is listed the prices for the engines for the Essex V6 3.0 form standard to stage 4 and if you need an help or advice you will get me on 01375 378606 or email and I will be glad to help and advise you.
 
Standard 3.0 Essex V6 engine unleaded exchange        £1195.00 plus vat.
Stage 1     "      "       "      "           "            "                £1450.00 plus vat.
Stage 2     "      "       "      "           "            "                £1700.00 plus vat.
Stage 3     "      "       "      "           "            "                £2050.00 plus vat
Stage 4     "      "       "      "           "            "                £2350.00 plus vat.
 
Out right sale on any of the above is £350.00 plus vat
Delivery on any of the above UK mainland is £105.00 plus vat and comes crated
Deposit on old units refunded on return of old unit is £350.00 plus vat.
Fitting on any of the above units is from £250.00 plus vat.
We can also do mail order on all parts under 20 kilos is £10.50 plus vat, again UK mainland.
We can also deliver any where in the world email for price.
 
Standard 3.0 Essex V6 engine spec.
The standard engine has fully reconditioned cylinder heads fitted and the heads are acid dipped and chemically cleaned and de-coked, the heads are fitted with six new the 5mm tapered hardened exhaust seats to suit the unleaded fuel and and 6 new hardened exhaust valves to suit the unleaded fuel, the heads are also fitted with new phosphor bronze valve guide liners again to help with the extra heat from the unleaded fuel, and we do advise you to use the super unleaded fuel with the higher octane for better power and less wear in the engine, all 12 valve seats are cut to a three way valve seat angle and the inlet valves are refaced to suit, all the valves are vac tested to insure a perfect seat and that there are air leaks on the valve or valve seat area, both cylinder heads are refaced and fitted with new core plugs and 12 valve stem oil seals and the valve springs are checked, and all new head gaskets and seals are fitted.
The standard cylinder block again as with the heads is acid dipped and chemically cleaned and the block is over-bored to the first over size and fitted with 6 new oversize pistons with new rings and new pins, the con rods are checked for ovaility, and the crankshaft is reground and fitted with new main and big end bearings in white metal if you want the VP material as used in the tuned engines these are extra, we fit re-profiled standard camshaft with 12 new cam followers and a new oil pump and new oil pump drive and the timing gear is also new, and as with the heads the cylinder block is fitted with all new core plugs and all new seals and gaskets and the engine comes painted ready built and ready to fit.
       
Stage 1 3.0 Essex V6 engine spec.
The stage 1 comes with all the above in the standard engine but also includes the fully gas flowed cylinder heads and as with the standard engine it also has three valve seat cutting and phosphor bronze valve guide liners fitted the exhaust guides, we fit a 5mm tapered hardened exhaust seat for the super unleaded fuel and a harder wearing new exhaust valve, the inlet valves are refaced, and the cylinder head faces are refaced for flatness, we replace all the core plugs with new and the valve stem seals are also new, and fitted with 110lb valve springs, and before we work on the heads they are acid dipped and chemically cleaned, and both heads come with all new Reinze O/E equipment head gaskets.
The block comes bored to the 030" (.75mm) oversize and is fitted with 6 new Kolbern Schmidt O/E original equipment pistons and the pistons are balanced, the crankshaft is reground to the first oversize and fitted with the heavy duty VP material main and big end bearings, we fit a new oil pump and a new oil pump drive the oil pump drive is the hardened version, the block assembly comes fitted with the all steel timing gear and the camshaft is the reprofiled GT version of the cam, all 12 cam followers are new, all the core plugs are replaced in the block and the con rods are checked for ovaility and balanced, the block is acid dipped and chemically cleaned and painted, all the seals and gaskets are new.
 
 
Stage 2 3.1 Essex V6 engine spec.
As above but come with the group 1 inlet valve fitted in 214n material and the size of the inlet valve is 1.750" (44.45mm) and as the inlet valves are bigger the inlet seat is resized to suit the bigger valves (larger throating area) and as stage 1 comes with the 110lb springs, and as with the stage 1 all the core plugs are changed and the heads are acid dipped and chemically cleaned and come with the O/E original equipment Reinze head gaskets.
The block comes as all the above in stage 1 but also the comes bored to the 060" (1.5mm) oversize and is fitted with 6 new O/E original equipment Kolbern Schmidt pistons this gives 3086cc (3.1) and as with the stage 1 all the parts are new and fitted with the reprofiled GT camshaft, everything else is as stage 1.
 
 
Stage 3 3.1 Essex  V6 engine spec.
As both the stage 1 and stage 2 but also comes with the bigger inlet valve in 214n material 1.750" (44.45mm) and includes the fast road valve springs and the valve spring platforms machined to suit the installed height of the springs, and includes all that is used on the stage 1 and 2 heads.
The block on the stage 3 comes as all the above in stage 1 and 2 and as the stage 2 fitted with the 060" 1.5mm oversize Kolbern Schmidt pistons, but also includes the fast road camshaft and the cam is dialled in and timed to suit the full lift figure and if necessary is fitted with an of set key to optimum timing.
 
 
Stage 4 3.1 Essex V6 engine spec.
As all the above these heads are exactly the same as the stage 3 heads with the bigger inlet 1.810" (46.25mm) and again with the up-rated valve springs with the platforms machined to suit.
The block on the stage 4 comes as above in all the stages 1 and 2 and 3 and is fitted with the 060" (1.50mm) pistons, but the stage 4 comes with the heavy duty ARP big ends bolts and the heavy duty ARP main cap bolt set, these can be added an extra cost to any of the above stages, and they really are a worth while extra.
 
  
All the above stages are for road use normal and fast road use and will all work on the standard ancillary parts, but as with all engines will welcome a better free flow exhaust and better manifolds and bigger or multiple carbs will all help with the extra performance. 
 
Below I have also prices for engine parts exchange heads and so on.
 
 
Standard heads unleaded exchange the pair           £350.00 plus vat.
Stage 1     "           "             "          "     "                   £525.00 plus vat
Stage 2     "           "             "          "     "                   £650.00 plus vat
Stage 3     "           "             "          "     "                   £725.00 plus vat
Stage 4     "           "             "          "     "                   £825.00 plus vat
Exchange surcharge on heads refunded on return of old units is £150.00 plus vat (old units must be recondition able and not cracked)
Delivery UK mainland for cylinder heads per pair is          £35.00 plus vat 
 Head parts and spares.

Standard exhaust valve.             £10.95 plus vat.
Standard inlet valve.                    £7.50 plus vat.
Group 1 exhaust valve 41.28mm.     £19.95 plus vat.
Group 1 inlet valve 44.45mm.     £19.95 plus vat.
Group 2 inlet valve 46.25mm.    £21.00 plus vat.
Up-rated valve spring set.           £68.50 plus vat.
Early valve stem seals.             £00.90 plus vat each.
Late valve stem oil seals.  £1.10 plus vat each.
Core plugs cylinder heads 4 needed.                   £1.65 plus vat each.
Valve collets 12 needed.              £1.00 plus vat each.
Head rocker studs early.            £9.00 plus vat each.
Head rocker studs late.            £11.00 plus vat each.
Head rocker studs screw in set (heads will need to machined) £120.00 plus vat.
Yella Terra roller rocker set 1.55:1. £299.00 plus vat.
Roller rocker budget kit standard lift 1.5:1. £225.00 plus vat.
Refaced rockers.                        £6.50 plus vat each.
Pushrods second hand only.   £10.00 plus vat each.
Pushrod guide plates early £5.00 plus vat each.
Pushrod guide plates late.    £5.00 plus vat each.
Rocker nuts second hand re-crushed. £2.50 plus vat each.
Rocker nut spacers second hand. £1.50 plus vat each.
Exhaust blots 5/16” with washers x12 £1.50 plus vat each.

 
Gaskets and kits

V6 Essex head gasket set with Reinze head gaskets. £98.00 plus vat.
Head gasket Reinze 2 needed.   £24.00 plus vat each.
V6 Essex conversion set for rest of engine.                 £49.50 plus vat.
Valve stem oil seals early cup type.                             £1.00 plus vat each.
Valve stem oil seals late spring type.                               £1.10 plus vat each.
Sump set.                                                        £9.50 plus vat.
Oil scavenger pipe gasket. £1.00 plus vat.
Sump plug washer plastic. £0.50 plus vat.
Sump plug washer copper. £0.60 plus vat.
Front timing cover gasket.                                               £3.25 plus vat.
Front timing cover back plate gasket.                               £3.25 plus vat.
Front oil seal.                                                                 £7.11 plus vat.
Rear oil seal.                                                                £9.11 plus vat
Rear oil seal housing gasket.              £2.95 plus vat.
Rocker cover gasket single in Payen.  £2.91 plus vat.
Inlet manifold gasket in Payen.                                      £17.29 plus vat.
Carb gasket lower.                                                         £3.00 plus vat.
Carb gasket upper.                                                        £3.50 plus vat.
Exhaust gasket set x 6.                                                 £12.00 plus vat 
Exhaust gasket each.                                                    £2.15 plus vat each.
Thermostat gasket. £1.00 plus vat.
Water pump to block gasket. £1.00 plus vat.
Water pump gasket for back plate.                                         £1.90 plus vat.
Water pump blanking cap £2.95 plus vat.
Petrol pump spacer gasket.                                            £2.99 plus vat.
Petrol pump spacer gasket. £1.10 plus vat each.
Camshaft core plug x1 2.0” £3.25 plus vat.
Cylinder head core plug x4 1.1/4” front and rear. £1.65 plus vat each.
Cylinder block core plug x6 1.1/4” side front and rear. £1.65 plus vat each.
Cylinder block core plug x1 1.5/8” rear. £2.45 plus vat.
Full engine core plug set. £14.50 plus vat.
Cylinder block parts , bearings and ancillery parts.

Main bearings white metal standard from.                £45.00 plus vat.
Main bearings VP material heavy duty from.                    £58.00 plus vat.
O/D main bearings per set from.                                   £95.00 plus vat.
Big end bearings white metal from.                                £49.00 plus vat.
Big end bearings VP material heavy duty from.               £62.50 plus vat.
Thrust washers per set.                                                £12.00 plus vat.
Camshaft standard GT re-profiled exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
Camshaft bearing set x 4 £39.50 plus vat.
Exchange camshaft surcharge or outright sale £75.00 plus vat.
Camshaft standard GT cut from a blank. £180.00 plus vat.
Camshaft V61 profiles exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
Camshaft V62 profiles exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
Camshaft V63 profiles exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
Camshaft V64 profiles exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
Camshaft V65 profiles exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
Camshaft V66 profiles exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
Camshaft V67 profiles exchange. £127.00 plus vat.
All the above exchange surcharge or outright sale. £75.00 plus vat.
All the above camshafts come cut from blanks £180.00 plus vat.
Camshaft kit standard GT exchange £241.00 plus vat.
Camshaft kit V61 re-profiled exchange. £241.00 plus vat.
Camshaft kit V62 re-profiled exchange. £241.00 plus vat.
Camshaft kit V63 re-profiled exchange. £241.00 plus vat.
Any of the above kits GT/V61/V62/V63 cut from blanks. £356.50 plus vat.
Exchange surcharge on cam kits or outright sale. £75.00 plus vat.
Cam followers per set of 12. £88.00 plus vat.
Cam followers per set of 12 Group 1. £130.00 plus vat.
Valve springs up-rated to suit V61/V62/V63/V64/66/V67. £68.50 plus vat.
Valve spring set double V68. £180.00 plus vat.
All Steel timing gear. £110.00 plus vat.
Standard timing gear. £89.00 plus vat.
Off set woodruff keys (1-5°) £25.00 plus vat.
Timing cover fan bearing late 71 on. £49.99 plus vat.
Oil pumps late type only from 71 on standard new. £69.00 plus vat.
Oil pumps late type only from 71 on high pressure new. £82.00 plus vat.
Oil pump drive early 8 ½ “ heavy duty hardened. £24.50 plus vat.
Oil pump drive late 6 ¼” heavy duty hardened. £19.00 plus vat.
Timing cover bearing early 66 on. £44.50 plus vat.
Water pump. £55.00 plus vat.
Petrol pump early curved arm. £35.00 plus vat.
Petrol pump late type bent arm. £37.00 plus vat.
Fan belts from £11.50 plus vat.
Power steering belts form £12.95 plus vat.
Thermostats from £8.11 plus vat.
Alternators exchange from £65.00 plus vat.
Alternator surcharge or outright sale from £35.00 plus vat.
Starter motors exchange from. £78.00 plus vat.
Starter motor surcharge or outright sale from. £40.00 plus vat.
Engine mounts thin studded. £15.00 plus vat.
Engine mounts fat studded. £21.00 plus vat.
Engine back plates second hand. £20.00 plus vat.
Flywheel ring gear. £69.50 plus vat.
Oil filler cap plastic. £4.50 plus vat.
Temperature senders from. £12.50 plus vat.
Spigot bearing. £12.90 plus vat.
Oil gallery plug ¼ NPTF. £0.99 plus vat.
Petrol pump blanking plate £7.50 plus vat.
Carburettors and carb parts and filters.


38 DGMS carb new manual choke. £245.00 plus vat.
38 DGAS carb new auto choke. £269.00 plus vat.
40 DCNF carb new £295.00 plus vat.
40 Dfi 5 carb fully reconditioned exchange (old unit required) £275.00 plus vat.
40 DFAV carb fully reconditioned exchange (old unit required) £275.00 plus vat.
34 DGMS 2.5 carb reconditioned exchange (old unit required) £275.00 plus vat.
36/40/42/44 DCNF reconditioned exchange (old unit required) £275.00 plus vat.
40 DCNF service kit gaskets etc 92163705. £25.00 plus vat.
Manuel choke conversion kits for 38 DGAS/ 40 DFAV RCK18 £69.50 Plus vat.
Carb gasket kit 34/38 DGAS 92010805 £9.23 plus vat.
Carb service kit gaskets an diaphragms 34/38 DGAS 93010600 £24.15 plus vat.
Standard air filter elements from. £10.50 plus vat.
K&N filter 34/38 DGAS/MS 45mm high 56-9074. £48.95 plus vat.
K&N filter 34/38 DGAS/MS 54mm high 56-9073. £51.00 plus vat.
K&N filter 34/38 DGAS/MS 63mm high 56-9075. £53.50 plus vat.
K&N filter 34/38 DGAS/MS 83mm high 56-9079. £55.00 plus vat.
K&N filter 40 Dfi5/DFAV 54mm high 56-9091. £58.50 plus vat.
K&N filter 36/40/42/44 DCNF 63mm high 56-9062. £55.00 plus vat.
K&N filter service kit (air filter oil & cleaner). 99-5000. £9.50 plus vat.
K&N filter oil only 250ml 99-0533. £4.50 plus vat.
K&N filter cleaner fluid only 1 litre 99-0621. £8.50 plus vat.
K&N chrome top breather filter 51mm O/D 13mm I/D 62-1330. £16.00 plus vat.
K&N chrome top breather filter 51mm O/D 16mm I/D 62-1330. £16.00 plus vat.
K&N chrome top breather filter 51mm O/D 19mm I/D 62-1330. £16.00 plus vat.
K&N chrome top breather filter 76mm O/D 13mm I/D 62-1330. £18.00 plus vat.
K&N chrome top breather filter 76mm O/D 16mm I/D 62-1330. £18.00 plus vat.
K&N chrome top breather filter 76mm O/D 19mm I/D 62-1330. £18.00 plus vat.
Carb to inlet manifold gasket upper all. £3.50 plus vat.
Carb to inlet manifold gasket lower all. £3.00 plus vat.
PCV valve rubber insert to rocker cover. £2.95 plus vat.
Various jets available from. £1.85 plus vat.

Distributors and spars and extras

Exchange V6 distributor fomoco black cap £95.00 plus vat.
Exchange V6 distributor Bosch brown cap £120.00 plus vat.
Exchange surcharge or outright sale. £75.00 plus vat.
Lumenition kit. £150.00 plus vat.
Lumenition kit with coil and trigger kit. £199.00 plus vat.
Trigger kits for fomoco black cap FK9. £13.50 plus vat.
Trigger kits for Bosch brown cap FK214. £13.50 plus vat.
Lumenition coil. £65.00 plus vat.
Standard coils from. £35.00 plus vat.
Distributor cap fomoco balck cap 44080. £10.50 plus vat.
Point’s fomoco black cap 22740v. £3.50 plus vat.
Condenser fomoco black cap 33790. £3.15 plus vat.
Rotor arm fomoco black cap 47700. £3.50 plus vat.
Distributor cap Bosch brown cap 44010. £14.00 plus vat.
Points Bosch brown cap 22700. £3.50 plus vat.
Condenser Bosch brown cap 35020. £10.75 plus vat.
Rotor arm Bosch brown cap 48790s. £7.75 plus vat.
Plug lead sets genuine Motor craft. £39.00 plus vat.
Spark plug set non-resistor BP6ES/N9YC standard. £22.00 plus vat.
Spark plug set resistor BPR6ES/RN9YC standard. £28.00 plus vat.
Spark plug set non-resistor BP7ES/N7YC fast rod use. £22.00 plus vat.
Spark plug set resistor BPR7ES/RN7YC fast road use. £28.00 plus vat.
Clutch and clutch parts.

Standard clutch 3 part flat finger 66-71. £186.00 plus vat.
Standard clutch 3 part curly finger 71-80.                             £169.00 plus vat.
Standard clutch cover assembly flat finger 241mm. £90.00 plus vat.
Standard clutch cover assembly curly finger 241mm. £75.00 plus vat
Standard clutch driven plate fits both the above. £70.00 plus vat
Clutch release bearing without carrier round face. £34.50 plus vat.
Clutch release bearing without carrier flat face. £37.95 plus vat.
Clutch release bearing with carrier flat face. £32.50 plus vat.
AP heavy-duty road clutch cover flat finger 66-71 CP2345-4. £145.00 plus vat.
AP heavy-duty sprint clutch cover curly finger 71-80 CP3380-2. £219.50 plus vat.
AP heavy-duty road driven plate fits all the above CP2346-9. £89.50 plus vat.
AP heavy-duty sprint driven plate fits all the above CP2346-45. £119.50 plus vat.

Heavy duty ARP bolt sets.

ARP big bolt set x 12.                                              £120.00 plus vat.
ARP main stud and nut kit.                                        £65.00 plus vat.
ARP head stud and nut kit.                                       £128.30 plus vat.

Pistons and ring sets

060” 1.5mm Piston set of six with rings & pins Kolben Schmidt. £320.00 plus vat.
030” .75mm Piston set of six with rings & pins Kolben Schmidt. £320.00 plus vat.
Pistons ring sets x 3 will fit 6 piston sets in Hastings £86.00 plus vat.
Pistons ring sets X 1 will fit 2 piston sets in Hastings £31.00 plus vat.


Accralite forged pistons and ring.

Essex V6 3100cc 95.30mm 11.0:1 press fit 101/95.3. £139.00 plus vat each.
Essex V6 3161cc 96.25mm 10.2:1 requires bush 101/96.25. £145.00 plus vat each.
Piston ring sets 3100cc 95.3mm. P.O.A.
Piton ring sets 3161cc 96.25mm. P.O.A.

Machineing prices.

Rebore 6-cylinder block. £120.00 plus vat.
Reground crankshaft exchange. £120.00 plus vat.
Reface flywheel. £45.00 plus vat.
Reface cylinder head each. £35.00 plus vat.
Reface cylinder block per side. £150.00 plus vat.
Acid dip block etc. £50.00 plus vat.
Chemical heads or block. £40.00 plus vat.
Half engine balance pistons and rods. £125.00 plus vat.
Full engine balance with crankshaft and flywheel + clutch cost. £275.00 plus vat.
Glaze brake bores and hone and chem wash. £75.00 plus vat.
Cylinder block line boring from. £150.00 plus vat.
Valve seat cutting per seat 3 ways.                                £7.50 plus vat.
Bronze valve guide liner fitted each.                              £6.50 plus vat. 
Valve spring seat relieving all 12 £120.00 plus vat.


If there anything you cannot find on here for a price or a part you cannot find email specialisedengines@talk21.com or phone me on 01375 378606 or fax me on 01375 381249.

[kyalamijoe]

I hope you didn't have to type that lot out. My one finger method would take half a day

[raysmelt]

Hi Blue

I bought a similar set up engine from Ian about 4 years ago. It has done almost 60K since then and never caused any trouble - apart from it is relatively thirsty on oil. Ian quotes 7-800 miles per pint!!! Fuel consumption is reasonable for the power at 20 - 28 mpg. Engine sounds pretty good too.

Ray

[craig 12]

christ almighty my eyes must be going , i thought the opening figure was £2850 , when people spend these kind of sums of money what is it for ? drag strip/hill climbing/ track days/ rolling road /competitiion racing/ obviusly i ask because we still have our strict 70 mph speed limits, and cant think for one moment that the gilbern attracts the boy racer types under 21 yrs old